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Drexel President John Fry's essay in today's WSJ is a thorough looksee at the costs -- not just money -- of bigtime football.

Thought this paragraph was telling, perhaps because it mirrors my concerns that bigtime football is evolving into a semi-pro game:

"The move from student athletics to professional sports leagues could be all but complete if the NCAA’s prohibition against paying players ends. Jeffrey Kessler, an attorney for former Clemson cornerback Martin Jenkins, has filed a lawsuit to strike down “reasonable compensation” limits for players and let a competitive market emerge. But paying players will exacerbate the financial pressure on universities. As Notre Dame president, the Rev. John Jenkins, recently said: a free market that allows players to negotiate a salary would be “Armageddon.”

Here is some of the essay. WSJ is subscription but probably it can be found online somewhere:

"In the past five years public universities have allocated more than $10.3 billion in student fees and other subsidies to prop up sports programs, according to a November examination by the Huffington Post and the Chronicle of Higher Education. A study released last year by the American Association of University Professors found that athletic spending increased by 25% at public four-year colleges between 2004 and 2011, adjusted for inflation. Funding for instruction and academic support remained nearly flat. The study also found that the median pay for NCAA Division I football head coaches increased 93% between 2006 and 2012. Median pay for professors rose a mere 4%.

In many states the highest-paid state employee is the head coach of the state university football or basketball team. University of Alabama football coach Nick Saban made $7.2 million last year, about 50 times more than the average pay of a full-time professor. But at least his team returned some revenue to the university.

That is unusual: A NCAA study last year found that only 20 of the nearly 130 university athletic programs in the top-flight Football Bowl Subdivision enjoyed a positive operating margin. The average loss was $17.6 million. These athletic programs wouldn’t survive in the private economy and only function by “taxing” the rest of the university.

The mounting sports losses force universities to divert funding from the fundamental task of educating students. Student fees, according to an analysis by USA Today, fund 65% of Old Dominion University’s athletic department budget. That Virginia school shared a conference with the institution of which I am president, Drexel University, but Old Dominion switched to another in 2013, aspiring for a big-time football ..."

Colorado State University sold $239 million in bonds earlier this year to build a football stadium. Jessica Wood, an analyst at Standard & Poor’s said in April that the new debt would “exert greater pressure on financial resources that we already view as very weak for the rating.” The university hopes the stadium will attract more out-of-state applicants and encourage alumni to attend games."

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Obviously, all of us here enjoy college football a great deal - I think I can assume that - but it is a huge money loser, with the exception of those 20-ish teams. The only real justification of the expenditure is as a marketing tool for the university, which in a big year is much more effective than traditional paid advertising. But there is nothing about it that will ever make an accountant happy.
 
Drexel said no to football 43 years ago, and as I recall, the program they had was at the level of today's Division III.
 
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Drexel President John Fry's essay in today's WSJ is a thorough looksee at the costs -- not just money -- of bigtime football.

Thought this paragraph was telling, perhaps because it mirrors my concerns that bigtime football is evolving into a semi-pro game:

"The move from student athletics to professional sports leagues could be all but complete if the NCAA’s prohibition against paying players ends. Jeffrey Kessler, an attorney for former Clemson cornerback Martin Jenkins, has filed a lawsuit to strike down “reasonable compensation” limits for players and let a competitive market emerge. But paying players will exacerbate the financial pressure on universities. As Notre Dame president, the Rev. John Jenkins, recently said: a free market that allows players to negotiate a salary would be “Armageddon.”

Here is some of the essay. WSJ is subscription but probably it can be found online somewhere:

"In the past five years public universities have allocated more than $10.3 billion in student fees and other subsidies to prop up sports programs, according to a November examination by the Huffington Post and the Chronicle of Higher Education. A study released last year by the American Association of University Professors found that athletic spending increased by 25% at public four-year colleges between 2004 and 2011, adjusted for inflation. Funding for instruction and academic support remained nearly flat. The study also found that the median pay for NCAA Division I football head coaches increased 93% between 2006 and 2012. Median pay for professors rose a mere 4%.

In many states the highest-paid state employee is the head coach of the state university football or basketball team. University of Alabama football coach Nick Saban made $7.2 million last year, about 50 times more than the average pay of a full-time professor. But at least his team returned some revenue to the university.

That is unusual: A NCAA study last year found that only 20 of the nearly 130 university athletic programs in the top-flight Football Bowl Subdivision enjoyed a positive operating margin. The average loss was $17.6 million. These athletic programs wouldn’t survive in the private economy and only function by “taxing” the rest of the university.

The mounting sports losses force universities to divert funding from the fundamental task of educating students. Student fees, according to an analysis by USA Today, fund 65% of Old Dominion University’s athletic department budget. That Virginia school shared a conference with the institution of which I am president, Drexel University, but Old Dominion switched to another in 2013, aspiring for a big-time football ..."

Colorado State University sold $239 million in bonds earlier this year to build a football stadium. Jessica Wood, an analyst at Standard & Poor’s said in April that the new debt would “exert greater pressure on financial resources that we already view as very weak for the rating.” The university hopes the stadium will attract more out-of-state applicants and encourage alumni to attend games."

GO Owls
 
And it is to be noted that attendance at college football is down, but damn I still love it!
 
Drexel hardly gives a rats ass about basketball, let alone football. It's their engineer psyche that just can not see value in anything sports related.
 
Drexel hardly gives a rats ass about basketball, let alone football. It's their engineer psyche that just can not see value in anything sports related.


My buddy was on the last football team at Drexel. He was told by the administration that the school was putting its efforts into creating the best basketball team in the city. He is still waiting.
 
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intercollegiate athletics, especially the football and basket programs, are important and will remain a vital element to the prestige of academic institutions. It satisfies a human need, to be a part of, and associated with something good, bigger than our individual significance.., it will remain so for the foreseeable future.., we place great value on athletic achievement in our society, don't think that will change in my lifetime..,

http://classroom.synonym.com/importance-college-athletic-programs-universities-3523.html

Beyond the "we want(s)", a clear vision and strategy for athletic excellence would be most welcomed for all the Temple stakeholders..,

“Our goal obviously is to win The American conference championship, but our eventual goal is to win the national championship,” Deputy Director of Athletics Pat Kraft said. “Now that can take time, but the way that you have a successful department is when everybody is winning.”

“You want everybody to be nationally ranked and then put yourself in a position to win a national championship,” he added. “As you start to get those national championship trophies, alumni brag on that, above and beyond their football and basketball teams.”

how is building a 35K stadium a means to the ends? are we counting on the espn media money?

nice comments by Kraft but I think he'll add bowl wins the next time
 
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“Our goal obviously is to win The American conference championship, but our eventual goal is to win the national championship,” Deputy Director of Athletics Pat Kraft said. “Now that can take time, but the way that you have a successful department is when everybody is winning.”

“You want everybody to be nationally ranked and then put yourself in a position to win a national championship,” he added. “As you start to get those national championship trophies, alumni brag on that, above and beyond their football and basketball teams.”

Cut and paste that comment into the debate raging in the basketball forum. particularly now that Kraft is THE athletics honcho.
 
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intercollegiate athletics, especially the football and basket programs, are important and will remain a vital element to the prestige of academic institutions. It satisfies a human need, to be a part of, and associated with something good, bigger than our individual significance.., it will remain so for the foreseeable future.., we place great value on athletic achievement in our society, don't think that will change in my lifetime..,

http://classroom.synonym.com/importance-college-athletic-programs-universities-3523.html

Beyond the "we want(s)", a clear vision and strategy for athletic excellence would be most welcomed for all the Temple stakeholders..,

“Our goal obviously is to win The American conference championship, but our eventual goal is to win the national championship,” Deputy Director of Athletics Pat Kraft said. “Now that can take time, but the way that you have a successful department is when everybody is winning.”

“You want everybody to be nationally ranked and then put yourself in a position to win a national championship,” he added. “As you start to get those national championship trophies, alumni brag on that, above and beyond their football and basketball teams.”

how is building a 35K stadium a means to the ends? are we counting on the espn media money?

nice comments by Kraft but I think he'll add bowl wins the next time

Winning championships is great and all but I would prefer to see our AD and higher ups voice a strategy that pushes Temple as a leading candidate for P5 expansion. Every public comment should include something along the lines of "The American Athletic Conference is a great place for Temple University RIGHT NOW" but then highlight why Temple should be competing at the highest level (as a member of the P5). This is what Cincy, UCONN, Houston and Memphis are all doing.
 
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Winning championships is great and all but I would prefer to see our AD and higher ups voice a strategy that pushes Temple as a leading candidate for P5 expansion. Every public comment should include something along the lines of "The American Athletic Conference is a great place for Temple University RIGHT NOW" but then highlight why Temple should be competing at the highest level (as a member of the P5). This is what Cincy, UCONN, Houston and Memphis are all doing.


There has to be reason...., big time college sports is a cut throat business.., coaches leave unexpectedly either by choice or by force, universities dime each other, block conference re-alignments, etc.., one thought is to announce your intentions. At least that way you'll quickly find your friends and enemies
 
There has to be reason...., big time college sports is a cut throat business.., coaches leave unexpectedly either by choice or by force, universities dime each other, block conference re-alignments, etc.., one thought is to announce your intentions. At least that way you'll quickly find your friends and enemies

The vote by the 10 FBS conferences on whether the B12 can stage a championship game with 10 members is coming up on January 14th or January 15th. If the vote does not pass, the B12 is very likely to add new members.

The rumors are out there that BYU, Cincy, Houston, UCONN, etc are being considered. I cringe at the thought of losing Cincy and UCONN for UMASS and who knows what school.

One other thing to be considered, the original AAC TV contract signed with NBC but matched by ESPN divided the league into Group A (Connecticut, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple) and everybody else in Group B. The media rights deal could be terminated if either two Group A schools leave or one Group A and one Group B school leave. Could the little money we receive actually be decreased if some combination of Cincy, UCONN or Houston leave? We better hope the 10 team championship game measure passes.......
 
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The vote by the 10 FBS conferences on whether the B12 can stage a championship game with 10 members is coming up on January 14th or January 15th. If the vote does not pass, the B12 is very likely to add new members.

The rumors are out there that BYU, Cincy, Houston, UCONN, etc are being considered. I cringe at the thought of losing Cincy and UCONN for UMASS and who knows what school.

One other thing to be considered, the original AAC TV contract signed with NBC but matched by ESPN divided the league into Group A (Connecticut, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple) and everybody else in Group B. The media rights deal could be terminated if either two Group A schools leave or one Group A and one Group B school leave. Could the little money we receive actually be decreased if some combination of Cincy, UCONN or Houston leave? We better hope the 10 team championship game measure passes.......
Everybody thought UNCONN would get in during the last re-alignment, and there is a lot of $arm twisting going on in Texas about Houston..., but shame on Temple if the B12 does expand and we are caught on the outside getting poorer by the season.., that is my issue..,, what is our strategy? and if someone says 'just keeping' winning.., we will know the strategy has not been vetted or approved by the BOT
 
Temple of course is engaging in strategies to make our athletics programs appealing to the "power" conferences. Given our former condition, the university is doing very well in football. So we can check that box.

Understand about "public" announcements, but ask yourself how much good that would do. I guess it is fodder for chatter among us fans, including those on the boards. Maybe it builds some momentum. So check that box.

However, we fans will not -- should not -- see where the most significant progress is made via the network of presidents, coaches, board members and their counterparts in the Power 5. For all its money, prestige, power and reputation, the P-5 is a club. The best way for admission is to have club members want to admit you. This entails relationships built over time. We do not know how that box is being checked.

GO Owls
 
Going public or on record with intentions is much to do about alignment of the stakeholders.., Houston for example is very public and has gone on record regarding their aspirations. They have the local media and university stakeholders all aligned and in support...., Temple gets blasted in the media at any news of an on-campus stadium, student protests, alumni bewilderment, etc..,

You are right, the P5 is a club and a closed society not open to the public. Behind the scenes engagement is an essential element, but will that be enough? The power of mass and momentum should not be discounted...., those of the outside looking in, Memphis, UCONN, Houston, Cincy are taking a different approach.

We have embarked on a path less traveled...., it will interesting and perhaps heart wrenching to see what happens if the Big 12 votes to expand.

GO OWLS
 
Going public or on record with intentions is much to do about alignment of the stakeholders.., Houston for example is very public and has gone on record regarding their aspirations. They have the local media and university stakeholders all aligned and in support...., Temple gets blasted in the media at any news of an on-campus stadium, student protests, alumni bewilderment, etc..,

You are right, the P5 is a club and a closed society not open to the public. Behind the scenes engagement is an essential element, but will that be enough? The power of mass and momentum should not be discounted...., those of the outside looking in, Memphis, UCONN, Houston, Cincy are taking a different approach.

We have embarked on a path less traveled...., it will interesting and perhaps heart wrenching to see what happens if the Big 12 votes to expand.

GO OWLS

Mobilizing the stakeholders is a good point, KJ. It should reduce, as you write, public opposition to the proposed stadium. Another way to put it is it is normal for the antis to speak out than it is for the agree-rs to speak in support.

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Couldn't read more than a teaser without a subscription. I'll try to remember to pick up a print copy.

President John Fry makes several valid points in his essay explaining why football would be out of place at Drexel University (“We’re Glad We Say No to College Football,” op-ed, Jan. 4). But I disagree with the core of his argument. A well-run football program can create innumerable benefits to a national university. The evidence from our experience at Temple—records for enrollment, academic rankings, alumni giving, research funding—suggests that the student and alumni engagement created by our football program has a positive impact on our academic programs.

We use the revenue generated from football to subsidize our 16 nonrevenue sports. Temple football also provides high visibility that benefits the entire university, as our recent success has shown. Our applications are up another 12% from last year’s record, and I expect another highly diverse, academically talented class to enroll in the fall. Unlike schools that are struggling to fill seats, interest in Temple is at an all-time high and football has played a role in that rise.

Like President Fry, I cringe when I read about college athletic programs that have lost their way. That’s why I am as proud of our athletes performance as students as their achievements on the playing field.

The bottom line is this: Football isn’t right for every school, but strong and vigilant leadership by coaches and athletic directors can make college football a tremendous asset to a great university.

Neil D. Theobald

President

Temple University

Philadelphia
 
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